A podcast · Recorded live · Every other Thursday

Between Two · Weiners

Clint and Destry sit between two giant weiner dog statues and talk to the historical figures history nearly forgot. Surrounded, always, by a small pack of very good boys in very small hats.

Clint and Destry seated close together on a bench between two giant concrete dachshund statues, surrounded by hat-wearing dachshunds
The Show

Two people. Two weiners. One folding table of history.

Every other Thursday, Clint and Destry drive out to the little concrete-and-fiberglass shrine they had installed behind their house — two twelve-foot dachshunds facing each other across a modest gap — and set up a folding table between them. Then they turn on a microphone. Then they hold hands. Then they talk.

The guest is always someone history nearly forgot. A chemist whose name got erased from her own paper. A marshal whose warrant record vanishes from every civics textbook. A composer who was fencing champion of Europe and also probably wrote a symphony that got misfiled as anonymous.

Clint asks. Destry researches. The dogs listen. Nobody wears a hat except the dogs, and every dog wears a hat.

Episodes run about forty-five minutes. There is no advertising. There is a small pack of dachshunds. This is the entire premise.

Clint and Destry mid-recording between the two giant dachshund statues, two dogs listening at their feet
Your Hosts

Clint & Destry

Together for eleven years. Married for eight. Podcasting for six. Owned by dachshunds for approximately their entire adult lives.

Illustrated portrait of Clint

Clint

Interlocutor · Beard · Driver

Clint asks the questions. He grew up in Sanpete County and holds strong opinions about pocketknife maintenance, the correct temperature for a shop, and the moral weight of doing the reading. He believes almost every guest deserved better.

Ask him about: the Board of Longitude, agricultural cooperatives, why he cries during episodes about mathematicians
Illustrated portrait of Destry

Destry

Researcher · Notes · Snack Coordinator

Destry does the reading. He keeps a filing cabinet of index cards organized by century, cross-referenced by field, and color-coded by "how badly this person got screwed by their contemporaries." His introductions are how you know an episode is going to be good.

Ask him about: library archives, dachshund grooming, the difference between "forgotten" and "erased"
Clint and Destry standing close, arms around each other

"We started this podcast because we couldn't stop having these conversations at breakfast."
— Clint, Episode 1

Featured Episodes

Recent conversations, at the statues.

Episode 41

Alice Ball

1892 – 1916

She developed the first effective injectable treatment for leprosy at 23, then died before publishing. Her lab supervisor took the credit for six decades. Destry cried three times during recording.

47 minGuest producer: Marshall (wearing the top hat)
Episode 40

Bass Reeves

1838 – 1910

Escaped enslavement, deputized as a US Marshal in Indian Territory, arrested more than 3,000 outlaws, spoke five languages, was almost certainly the historical basis for the Lone Ranger. Clint wore a bolo tie for this one.

52 minGuest producer: Beans (wearing the beret)
Episode 39

Marie Tharp

1920 – 2006

Mapped the entire ocean floor, discovered the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, essentially proved plate tectonics — from a desk, because women weren't allowed on the research vessels. Her boss called it "girl talk" for a decade.

44 minGuest producer: Pretzel (wearing the party hat)
Episode 38

Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges

1745 – 1799

Best fencer in France. Colonel of the first all-Black regiment in Europe. Composer whose symphonies Mozart may have quietly borrowed from. Napoleon had his music suppressed. Destry has been waiting six months to record this one.

58 minGuest producer: Miss Prudence (wearing the bonnet)
The Studio Audience

The Pack.

Six dachshunds. Six hats. Each one attends every recording. None of them have ever left early.

Marshall the dachshund
Marshall
the top hat

Eldest. Owns three top hats. Only wears the middle one.

Beans the dachshund
Beans
the beret

Intellectual. Named for a black bean. Prefers French pressed water.

Pretzel the dachshund
Pretzel
the party hat

Middle-aged. Birthday is every day, per her.

Miss Prudence the dachshund
Miss Prudence
the bonnet

Cream-colored. Believes she is Victorian. She is not.

Sausage-Link the dachshund
Sausage-Link
the cowboy hat

Youngest. Clint's favorite. Clint denies this.

Doctor Waffle the dachshund
Doctor Waffle
the tiny fedora

Wears glasses. Is not a doctor. Was named optimistically.

Upcoming

Coming up next.

EP 42
Ada Kepley — first US woman with a law degree (1870), spent her career doing temperance work instead
Jul 17
EP 43
John Harrison — built the marine chronometer, was almost never paid for it
Jul 31
EP 44
Wong Kim Ark — his 1898 Supreme Court case is why birthright citizenship is a thing
Aug 14
EP 45
Henrietta Leavitt — figured out how to measure the distance to other galaxies. Deaf. Uncredited on the papers that used her work.
Aug 28